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Social Security and SSI
  • A basic comparison


  • prepared by
  • Richard P. Weishaupt
  • Community Legal Services, Inc
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Basic comparisons -- similarities
  • SSI
    • Aged (65), blind or disabled
    • SSA
    • Monthly check
    • Comes with health insurance -- Medicaid
  • Social Security
    • Aged, blind or disabled
    • Run by SSA
    • Monthly check
    • Comes with health insurance -- Medicare


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Basic comparisons -- differences
  • SSI
    • Means tested – income and resource tests
    • Benefit depends on income
    • Benefits only for eligibles
  • Social Security
    • Insurance based – no means tests


    • Benefits depend on contributions
    • Benefits also for dependents
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Sources of law
  • Social Security
    • Law Title II -- 42 USC sec 401 et seq.
    • Regulations – 20 CFR sec 401 et seq.
    • Rules – POMS*
  • SSI
    • Law Title XVI – 42 USC sec 1381 et seq.
    • Regulations – 20 CFR sec 416 et seq
    • Rules – POMS*
    • POMS online at https://secure.ssa.gov/apps10/poms.nsf/partlist!OpenView
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Age
  • Social Security
    • Used to be full retirement at 65
    • Early retirement at 62
    • Now varies depending on dob – 65 for those born 1937 and earlier; 67 for 1960 and later
  • SSI
    • 65


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Disability/blindness
  • Same test for both:
    • Disability = unable to do substantial gainful activity that exists in significant numbers in the national economy
    • Caused by an physical or mental impairment that will last at least a year or result in death
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Citizenship tests
  • Social Security
    • Must be lawfully present


  • SSI
    • Must be a “qualified” alien
      • Significantly more difficult and complicated
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Insurance coverage
  • Fully insured – 40 quarters (10 years) of work
  • Disability also requires current insurance – basically 5 out of last 10 years
  • Special rules for those 21 – 31.
  • In 2008 a quarter of work requires $1,050 in earnings
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Social Security replaces wages for dependents
  • Spouses
  • Widows and widowers
  • Children, including Disabled Adult Children
  • Parents
  • Survivors
  • Granparents
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SSI means test
  • Countable income must be under payment amount $637 for an individual, $955 for a couple.
  • Resources must be under $2000 for an individual, $3000 for a couple.
    • Residence and a car generally don’t count
    • Some other opportunities for planning – SNT, burial reserves, etc.
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Working
  • Working may effect eligibility for all kinds of disability, especially in excess of SGA ($940 in 2008)
  • Working will reduce SSI benefits based on formula (deduct $65 + 50%)
  • Working will reduce retirement benefits if under 70
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Miscellany
  • SSI also comes with a State Supplement in PA ($27.40 for an individual, $43.70 for a couple
  • Maximum SS is $2116 in 2007
  • Overpayments may reduce benefits in both programs.


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Tips
  • Always get an Appointment of Representative (form 1696) signed if you are trying to help
  • Infirm claimants can have a “representative payee.”
  • Appeal if there is any doubt – you only have 60 days to appeal